Posted by: geraldjoemoreno on: November 20, 2009
[JJ:] Use your own judgement! Has your life not changed?
[TC: Again, it is easily seen that millions of followers of Sai have undergone profoundly positive transformations by becoming dedicated aspirants and sevakas in the Sai movement. This still does not in any way offset what now appears to be an INCONTROVERTIBLE EMPIRICAL FACT: Sathya Sai Baba has criminally molested hundreds or thousands of male youth.]
Moreno’s Response: Notice how Timothy Conway again uses the weasel-word “appears”. Now Timothy Conway is asserting that there are “hundreds or thousands” of molestations. At the beginning of this letter, Timothy Conway first alleged there were “dozens” of molestations. Then Timothy Conway changed the number to “dozens or hundreds” of molestations. Now, Timothy Conway is alleging there are “hundreds or thousands” of molestations. Timothy Conway has no clue what he is talking about. He engages in shameless rumor-mongering and attempts to pass off his erroneous accusations and blatant exaggerations as Holy Writ. It is exactly these types of shabby and conspiratorial arguments that make Timothy Conway appear kooky and unbelievable.
In addition, Timothy Conway cannot take a consistent position for or against Sai Baba:
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[JJ:] Perhaps not, if you are still at the level of the SAI form, SAI miracles and SAI bhajans! But, if you are one who has plunged into making the SAI message a part of your life, your own experience, your own awe regarding what good work has been done and can be achieved to benefit all, will be the only witness you need to testify to the Divine grandeur and the transforming power of the Avarthar of the Kali Yuga!
[TC: More fluff. And Jagadeesan has not established for a fact that Baba is the “Avarthar” (sic, Avatar) of the Kali Yuga.]
Moreno’s Response: Many Sai Devotees believe (from their own first-hand experiences, miracles and observations) that Sathya Sai Baba is an Avatar. Jagadeesan’s letter was written and intended for Sai Devotees, not for Timothy Conway or Ex-Devotees. Therefore, the context of Jagadeesan’s letter is to be understood in this light.
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[JJ:] In the Greek legend, Ulysses had to plug his ears and that of his fellow shipmates, so that the false and tempt-ing voices of the “sirens” would not lead them to disaster, as they searched for the golden fleece! Now in our voyage for the “golden age”, the voices of modern sirens are tempting devotees away from Faith, Belief, Goodness and Love, to hate and negativity! This is the Ying / Yang Phenomena, the eternal battle between good and evil and Divinity stands in the middle, blessing all to work out their own karma!
[TC: We’ve got yet more name-calling here: according to Jagadeesan, Baba’s critics are “modern sirens” trying to bring disaster and negativity to the dogmatic true-believer Sai devotees. Also, most unconscionable for a man living within the conspicuous Chinese culture of Malaysia, Jagadeesan completely flubs it when he speaks of “the Ying / Yang Phenomena.” For one thing, he misspells Yin as “Ying”; he incorrectly uses the plural form of the word “phenomena” instead of the appropriate singular; and then, in the worst mistake of all, he equates the ancient Chinese Taoist polarity idea of Yin / Yang with “good and evil,” which no Chinese Taoist would ever do. Jagadeesan is an example of many longtime senior Sai devotees who preach about the beauty and value of all the religions and yet don’t actually study any of these religions. Anyone acquainted with the most remedial level of Taoist study would get the Yin/Yang concept right, but Jagadeesan, who has lived his entire life in the region, surrounded by Taoist literature and temples, and who has taken pride that he can sing a number of bhajans in Chinese along with his fellow Sai devotees with a Chinese background, makes here a blunder of the worst kind.]
Moreno’s Response: It is absolutely true that Timothy Conway and Anti-Sai Activists are “the voices of modern sirens tempting devotees away from Faith, Belief, Goodness and Love, to hate and negativity”. Although I can cite numerous instances to support Jagadeesan’s claim, I will direct readers to the following article that documents Ex-Devotees numerous attacks, defamations and libels against Sathya Sai Baba, Sai Devotees and Sai Proponents: Prashanti Council, Sathya Sai Baba and the Open Letter.
Timothy Conway’s rant on Yin-Yang is an interesting distraction and attack on Jagadeesan. First and foremost, Jagadeesan was never a Taoist. Jagadeesan was an agnostic and strong critic of Sathya Sai Baba until he witnessed first-hand miracles that completely convinced him of Sathya Sai Baba’s divinity (Ref). Anyone acquainted with the most remedial level of knowledge about Malaysia knows that it is predominantly Muslim (about 60%) while Buddhists number around 20%. Therefore, Jagadeesan has not lived his life “surrounded by Taoist literature and temples” as Timothy Conway erroneously claimed. Strangely enough, Timothy Conway (on his website) defined Yin-Yang under “Yang-Yin” (Ref). The term “yin-yang” is always described as “yinyang” in Chinese and Mandarin dialects and never as “yang-yin” as Timothy Conway did on his website.
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[JJ:] We do not have an ancient Ulysses to plug our ears! The modern Ulysseses are the selfless service and self-less love that SAI has motivated among those who follow His Teachings! These will be the earplugs that must help us to overcome these treacherous times!
[TC: Unbelievable, but true: Jagadeesan actually wants people to have earplugs so as not to hear the disturb-ing news that Sai is involved in criminal behavior. There is a psychological description for this attitude: PATHOLOGICAL DENIAL. Jagadeesan, like many apologizers for Baba, is so heavily, egocentrically invested in his role as a Sai devotee that he becomes like the stubborn little child who plugs his ears and makes lots of noise so that he can’t face the truth that would challenge him to grow up and become a person of true compassion and integrity.]
Moreno’s Response: To the contrary, Ex-Devotees are stuck in “pathological denial” and are heavily and egocentrically invested in their roles as libelers, propagandists and maligners. It is commonly seen that critics of Sai Baba constantly and unremittingly repeat themselves like brainwashed automatons, hoping to deceive readers with their constant abuse mantras. A relevant quote from Joseph Goebbels:
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
Ex-Devotees keep repeating their big lies and viciously attack and shield any perceived threat with their typical ploys of libels, defamations, deceptions and slurs. Timothy Conway is like a stubborn little boy who plugs his ears and makes a lot of noise so he doesn’t have to publicly acknowledge that his so-called “compassion” and “integrity” are huge, hypocritical farces.
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[JJ:] I pray to all! Do not transmit the filth to others! Do not allow the filth to contaminate your mind!
[TC: If Jagadeesan had lived in Nazi Germany in the 1930s, I wonder which side he would have taken? The side of truth, freedom, morality, virtue, love and nonviolence, or, rather, the side of the Nazis? Jagadeesan is apparently unaware, like so many other Sai devotees in positions of great responsibility (Goldstein, Bozzani, Hawley, et al.) that there are MANDATED REPORTING RULES that REQUIRE all adults who have any suspicion of child molestation behavior to EXPOSE THIS BEHAVIOR, PROTECT CHILDREN FROM THIS BEHAVIOR, GET THERAPEUTIC HELP FOR THE VICTIMS OF THIS MOLESTATION BEHAVIOR, AND LEGALLY PROSECUTE THE WRONG-DOERS.]
Moreno’s Response: Here again, we have another one of Timothy Conway’s holier-than-thou and extremist comments insinuating that Jagadeesan would have sided with the Nazis. Let me repeat this again: Sathya Sai Baba and the Sai Organization have never (ever) been charged with any crime, sexual or otherwise. PhD Timothy Conway is a fanatic who attempts to con readers into thinking that Sathya Sai Baba has engaged in criminal activity, although he cannot provide a scintilla of legal substantiation to support his fraudulent claims. Rather, Timothy Conway relies on internet stories he read and blindly believed.
Once again, possibly “hundreds” or “thousands” of alleged victims and their mothers and fathers have all (without exception) refused to do the “moral” and “ethical” thing as there are no known “child molestation” charges, court cases or basic police complaints filed against Sathya Sai Baba in India. The alleged parents to these alleged “minors”, “children” and “male youth” have all (without exception) failed in their legal duty of “mandated reporting” and are thereby (according to Timothy Conway) “accomplices in sexual molestation crimes”.
If “hundreds” to “thousands” of parents are not complaining about the alleged molestations of their children, why should Sai Devotees make complaints based on internet rumors? This indisputable fact strongly solidifies the argument that Sathya Sai Baba never molested “children”.
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[JJ:] If you feel you do not want to follow the SAI path, by all means step aside, but do not incur the sin of coming between God and His devotees, the message of every vahana (vehicle) in a Hindu temple.
[TC: Baba’s concerned critics now feel that they MUST come between BABA and his devotees, especially his young male devotees, so that they will not be molested by this sexual predator.]
Moreno’s Response: Sathya Sai Baba is not a “sexual predator”. Hello? Timothy Conway, are you there? Where are all the parents who have had their children molested by a “sexual predator”? Why have possibly “hundreds“ to “thousands” of alleged victims and their mothers and fathers all (without exception) failed to file charges, public grievances, basic police complaints or court cases against Sathya Sai Baba in India?
Alleged victim’s stories and accounts are mostly repeated, clarified, explained, embellished, changed, furthered and argued by non-victims who were never abused themselves and who never witnessed an incident of alleged abuse themselves. This also holds true for Timothy Conway.
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[JJ:] For those who love SAI, let us do more! Let us manifest His miracles, His “Vibuthi” (Divine Glory) in soci-ety, by we ourselves becoming His Vibuthi, His Divine miracles, by transforming society to Love and Unity, through our own transformed selfless Love and selfless Service. By this means let us achieve inner Peace, Joy and Contentment that is the only promise for all who follow the Path Divine!
[TC: Baba has repeatedly declared that Sai devotees should live according to the laws and rules of their re-spective countries. Thus, concerned critics of Baba’s molesting of children have stepped forth, according to the mandated reporting rules, to expose Baba’s sexual improprieties.]
Moreno’s Response: I think alleged victims and their parents should be the ones who step forth, according to mandated reporting rules, and make their case against Sai Baba. However, what we see is that alleged victims and their parents all (without exception) refuse to file charges, public grievances, basic police complaints or court cases against Sathya Sai Baba in India. Critics, who have never been sexually abused, are the ones making all the fuss.
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[JJ:] For those who ask “Why does He not stop them?” Baba’s own words on Page 3 testify! However, let me ask also “Why should He?” Swami neither praises those who praise Him nor condemns those who demean Him – Di-vinity stands in the middle blessing all – those who perpetrate good and those who choose to do evil!
[TC: Actually, in recent discourses, Baba is strongly lashing out at his critics and praising those who defend him. What kind of behavior is this? Not the Sai whom Kasturi and Jagadeesan have described as standing equanimiously and compassionately above the fray.]
Moreno’s Response: Sathya Sai Baba has every right to defend himself and deny the allegations, which he has done. It doesn’t matter what Sathya Sai Baba says or doesn’t say, critics will never be appeased. Despite the allegations and despite his physical hardships, Sathya Sai Baba has demonstrated considerable and amazing equanimity and fortitude.
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[JJ:] Is this unusual? Is this not the way of Divinity? Did not Christ know He would be betrayed and crucified? Did not Rama know Sita would be captured? Did not Krishna know that His peace mission to the Kauravas would fail and did not Buddha know that the food offered to him with “false” love was poisoned? Yet those great beings allowed the drama to unfold acting as though they were helpless victims of circumstances! Why? Simply because Divinity has already established a Divine law of Karma – and this must take its course and because “Dharma will by itself destroy those who go against Dharma!” And so it was for Judas, so it was for Ravana and so it was for the Kauravas..and so it will be for all who manifest Evil!
[TC: I am tempted to retort, “and so it will be for all who manifest Evil in the form of molesting children and conspiring to cover-up this serious violation of the rights of children!”]
Moreno’s Response: As one can see, Timothy Conway neurotically parrots his fraudulent child molestation claims (which I already discussed and refuted in-depth on my website) like a person afflicted with broken-record-syndrome.
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[JJ:] Let us all pray for them, let us not condemn them. Let us echo the words of a great being and pray – “Forgive them Oh Lord for they know not what they do!”
[TC: Right now it is Baba’s concerned critics who are praying “Forgive them Oh Lord for they (those conspiring to deny, cover-up and/or rationalize Baba’s behavior) know not what they do.” Jagadeesan here again says “let us not condemn them” after he has spent so many words doing just this -- comparing Baba’s critics to “demons” and “Judases” and “hatefully destructive sirens.”]
Moreno’s Response: Actually, I could similarly pray to God to forgive Timothy Conway and Ex-Devotees because “they know not what they do”. However, I will withhold this prayer because it is my opinion that Timothy Conway and Ex-Devotees know exactly what they are doing and they do it maliciously and in full awareness. Far be it for Timothy Conway to point his self-righteous fingers at Jagadeesan when he accused him of being like the Nazis.
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[JJ:] Please reflect on this! Reject what I say if you so choose but first REFLECT and then circulate to whomever you want to and act accordingly.
[TC: Jagadeesan, I must certainly REJECT what you have said because I have spent so many years in fact REFLECTING on all this and have come to the conclusion that it is simply criminal behavior for us NOT to stand up and demand accountability from Baba and from the Sai organization for stories of improprieties that can no longer be glossed over as mere “rumors” or “gossip.”]
Moreno’s Response: If the allegations are not just “rumors” or “gossip” as Timothy Conway contends, where are all the alleged victims and their parents? Where are all the charges, public grievances, basic police complaints and court cases? Timothy Conway said (out of his own mouth on his website) that he defected from Sathya Sai Baba in 2001. Timothy Conway’s letter to Jagadeesan was dated March 12th 2001. So how exactly did Timothy Conway spend “so many years” reflecting on the allegations when he defected (at most) 3 months earlier?
Timothy Conway, sit down and take your seat. Before you stand up making all sorts of demands, you should be preceded by the alleged parents to alleged victims. You and Ex-Devotees are sole voices in an empty auditorium. You beat your own drums and you applaud your own sermons.
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Sai Ram and God bless! Yours in service, J. Jagadeesan cc Sri Indulal Shah / P.S. – Bhagavan Baba does not need my advocacy or defense! I merely write this for the benefit of my SAI broth-ers and sisters and especially youth, who should not, like the people in the Middle East 2000 years ago, crucify a Divine Being, who in later times became a saviour for millions!!
[TC: It is terribly ironic - indeed, shameful -- that Jagadeesan especially mentions “youth” in his closing, since they are the ones who have been victimized by the hundreds or thousands in this terrible, ongoing saga. As for the idea that we are “crucifying a Divine Being,” none of Baba’s concerned critics want to “crucify” him. We simply want him to come out of the closet and stop sexually molesting male children and young men. We want accountability, apologies, and amends-making from Baba and from his longtime organizational accomplices. We also want the entry to the private interview room left open, and we want a chaperon to be present on all occasions that Baba is in the company of male youth, especially minors. We would like to have a non-adversarial mediation session held at Puttaparthi or Bangalore to resolve this terrible ordeal. If Baba is operating from the truly Divine God-Self, this should be no problem. The illustrious Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950), one of India’s most beloved sages, had to go before legal authorities to defend himself against a psychopathic accuser. If the Maharshi had to put up with this “indignity” on such a patently trumped-up charge, then surely Baba can step out from behind the shield created by his pathetic, sycophantic yes-men and answer the legitimate charges against him. You see, this is really about Truth, Righteousness, Peace, Love and Nonviolence -- Sathya, Dharma, Shanti, Prema and Ahimsa. In the end, these Divine characteristics will win out.
Moreno’s Response: I know this is getting terribly redundant, but Timothy Conway again made reference to child molestations, a fraudulent claim that has already been discussed and refuted in-depth on my website. Timothy Conway should be making demands from alleged victims and their families before he makes demands from Sathya Sai Baba and the Sai Organization.
Timothy Conway’s reference to Ramana Maharshi is rather amusing and actually argues against the absurd arguments he attempts to make against Sathya Sai Baba. Unlike the alleged “psychopathic accuser” who actually filed a court case against Ramana Maharshi (Ref), all of the alleged victims (without exception) have refused and failed to file a basic police complaint or court case against Sathya Sai Baba in India. Why should Sathya Sai Baba answer charges against him when no one has filed a court case in the first place? Surely these alleged victims can step out from behind the shield created by pathetic, gullible, sycophantic “yes-men” Ex-Devotees and file their “legitimate” charges against Sai Baba in a court of law in India? All alleged victims (without exception) have been unable to obtain legal representation despite:
Yes, this is really about Truth, Righteousness, Peace, Love and Nonviolence and alleged victim’s apathy (along with shocking revelations, as in The Case Of Alaya Rahm) has thoroughly compromised the Anti-Sai Movement and they now attempt to argue their case in secret and under the cloak of confidentiality where they:
After having every opportunity to divulge their alleged “real evidence” to the BBC and to various Journalists partial to their cause, Ex-Devotees have been unable to implicate Sathya Sai Baba or the Sai Organization with any crime. It certainly appears that the Truth has finally prevailed. Critics have no where to go but deeper into their gutters.
As it turns out, J. Jagadeesan and Sai Devotees were right: The allegations against Sathya Sai Baba are nothing more than malicious smear and hate campaigns based on highly questionable accounts spread by questionable characters who are anything but honest.
Also See:
- Timothy Conway Deception
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November 22, 2009 at 7:06 pm
I deal routinely with perturbed individuals, especially males. A problem with the male psyche in the West is the fact that a lot of men “don’t feel like men”. It is easy to diagnose this with the help of Applied Kinesiology Muscle Testing. This problem is an effect of our western culture where women tend more and more to become dominant, and fathers, or father figures, are often absent. The result is a chronic state of anxiety, insecurity and low self-esteem affecting the limbic system of the brain. In order to alleviate this discomfort, people will resort to a variety of substances like drugs, food, and behaviours like sex, as well as attempting to build up their self-esteem mostly with the help of the left hemisphere through various types of rationalisations and the help of the right hemisphere through the temporary creation of illusions of all sorts. Of course, this does not work. If people followed Vedantic practices, as advocated by Swami, they would learn to transcend these faulty mechanisms and see the world, and themselves, differently. However, the main part of the problem is this powerful underlying need for men to prove themselves as such, like chimpanzees who are trying to stay at the top of their tree in order to remain alpha males, or alternatively to find a tree to climb. The internet presents a wonderful opportunity to do this; if ever there was a fertile jungle, this is it! I don’t think that you will ever be successful in changing the mindset of your favourite chimps as they no doubt feel very secure at the top of the trees they have chosen. Swami was for these people a golden opportunity to acquire this supposed security that they had been searching for, and Swami cut their trees! Poor guys!